Mariah Carey trip thingy and other more important things


Kimberly McDaniel ([email protected])
Tue, 01 Dec 1998 14:31:40 PST


Chris Brown wrote:

>Now Mariah Carey and Garth Brooks are inferior artists?

Yes. They sure are. Garth Brooks is a washed up sellout who screams
that he's gonna retire every time he doesn't sell as many records as he
wants. Then all the people who weren't gonna buy the album go out and
buy it. Pretty bad if you ask me. Mariah Carey has no style of her own
whatever will sell records is what she records.

>Come on...are we actually submitting these artists to an objective
>interpretation

Yes. I've listened to a lot of both Mariah Carey and Garth Brooks, so I
know what I;m talking about. :>

>or are we just making this stuff up because of our own musical
>preferences?

See above. :>

>Both are outspoken in their assistance to various social >organizations
and charities also.

I admire that. :) Good marketing ploy, too. :>

>I'm tired of these tirades belittling every artist
>besides U2.

Well, I hear alot of people post good things about bands we should check
out all the time. :>

>Save it for another list...we don't need it here.

Last time I checked, this was <[email protected]>. ;)

Robert wrote:
>2. Whoever said that "drugs aren't bad, its the people who abuse >them"
falls into believing in the myth of neutrality. Granted, there >ARE
those who can shoot up, sniff, etc. and not get addicted. But, >you
see, its like the belief that "guns aren't bad, its the people >who use
them."

Well, that's the way it is. A person has to take responsibility for
what they do with the gun. The gun does nothing that the person doesn't
make it do. It may be a gun's nature to kill, but it can't do it unless
someone pulls the trigger. :)

>Delving a bit deeper into the issue, though, if you ascribe to
>Marshall MacLuhen's philosophy, then the aphorism "the medium is the
>message" applies here too. That is: guns are for killing. It is >their
nature.

Well, I think Marshall Macluhen's full of it. See above. :>

>3. I think it is naive to say, "Whether Bono did drugs or not is
>irrelevant to me." I mean, if it were many other rock stars, I would
>perhaps agree. But this is someone who specifically sings against
>such vices. So, I don't know about you, but consistency IS important
>to me. Don't belittle people who look for that in song writers.

Well, I believe that Bono said he was writing about drug addiction, and
I think everyone (remember Bono was up there with Jesus at the time)
naturally assumed it couldn't be from personal experience, but who
knows? This isn't an issue for me because if it came from a personal
battle with drugs, it was genuine, and he's not a hypocrite. The press
just got it wrong. I remember reading somewhere that he admitted an
addiction battle that occured around 86-87...so maybe the press
shouldn't have caricatured them. :)

>Now, here's a new thread. I don't recall if anyone ever mentioned this
>before. Did you notice that the words for Last Night on Earth that are
sung
>for one verse is completely different than what is written in the liner
>notes? The written words says something like "The past is too
unbearable,
>the future is too predicatable" (I don't have it in front of me, I am
at
>work) but Bono sings, "She hasn't been to bed in a week. She'll be
dead
>soon, then she'll sleep" Any thoughts on this? I never noticed this
before.

Finally something to discuss! My liner notes have the right lyrics.
Strange?

Also a note to Christy Black...loved the post and hope those of us who
love to discuss the deeper issues of the music can have more of a
presence on the list. I invite you and Robert and Rose(and anyone else
who's prone to these sort of things...I tend to do the Bono rambling
thing) to mail me any time you want to discuss U2 or just the sate of
the world. Just because I may strongly disagree doesn't mean we have to
flame, although I warn you I'm from a great debate squad <eg>.
PS--Rose, I just read your post...right on...loved it...write sometime
if you feel up to it :)

And this, children, concludes this rant session. *LOL*

Kimberly McDaniel
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'And you can dream
So dream out loud
You know that your time is coming 'round
...don't let the bastards grind you down...'
               Bono ...Acrobat

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